In the Tradition of the Wickedary, Part Two by Dissenter
I have been studying fanfiction and slash fanfiction from a radical feminist perspective for several years now, and these definitions are the culmination of much reading, writing and thinking on the subject. I believe understanding the phenomenon of fanfiction and slash fanfiction within a radical feminist framework is extremely important, due to the sheer numbers of women who are now engaged in this kind of fan culture, and also because the current dominant understanding of fan writing is inaccurate, pronouncing fanfiction and slash fanfiction as radical and progressive, when in fact fan culture is highly conservative, and bolsters and propagates male supremacist ideas.
Thanks to allecto, Dragort and Demonista for many intelligent and helpful comments on my earlier slash essays, and for listening to me go on and on about this subject. I am probably still not finished with it.
Fanfiction – Fanfiction is a conservative and worshipful genre of writing, increasingly dominated by women, which involves writing original stories based on texts that are already in existence, for example, novels, movies, TV shows etc. Some popular fandoms include those of Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, Star Trek, Stargate, Buffy and Pirates of the Caribbean, though there are many more as well. Prior to the existence of the internet, fanfiction writers were only a small part of the wider phenomenon of fan culture, partly because it was very difficult to effectively distribute fanfiction to large audiences, with the most common method pre-internet being the publication and sale of small fanzines. These days, however, most fanfiction is published on the internet, easily accessible to thousands of people all over the world, which has encouraged the exponential growth of fanfiction and has also led to the development of countless online fanfiction communities. Fanfic writers pride themselves on their respect for and fidelity to their original source material, and in their writing they rarely, if ever, do anything that questions or contradicts the ideologies underwriting the original texts. As, in most cases, these original texts are steeped in patriarchal ideologies, this means that fanfiction, likewise, is strongly patriarchal and almost always woman-hating, despite the fact that women are now the main authors of fanfiction.
Slash Fanfiction – Slash fanfiction is a sub-genre of fanfiction, though it is increasingly coming to dominate fanfiction as a whole, that takes characters, generally male, from books, movies, etc., and portrays them as being in homosexual relationships with each other. Slash is almost always written and read by heterosexual women. Pre-internet, slash fanfiction was only a tiny sub-section of the fanfiction community, being written by small groups of women at a time when most other kinds of fanfiction were male dominated. (This is no longer the case in contemporary times; I would say that now women are the main authors of all the different sorts of fanfiction). Like other kinds of fanfiction, slash experienced a huge explosion in size and popularity with the advent of the internet, so much so that it has now practically become the norm of fanfiction, whereas ‘general’ or ‘gen’ fanfiction (as non-slash writing is usually called) has declined.
There is a basic misconception about slash writing, shared both by those who participate in the genre, and academics who have written analyses of the phenomenon. It is believed that slash writers often bring to the surface the ‘gay subtext’ or ‘homoerotic subtext’ that exists in a given text by portraying male characters who are ostensibly heterosexual in the original as being ‘gay’ in their fanfiction. Most usually, two male characters who are ‘friends’ in the original text will be portrayed as being in a ‘gay relationship’ in slash. However, as radical feminists have long known, erotically charged homosocialism has always been a necessary fixture of male supremacist and heterosexual culture. Men can only view other men as human, and it is therefore perfectly logical for men to develop deep, complex and even erotic relationships with each other, whilst still being ‘heterosexual’ to maintain sexual and emotional dominance over women, since, under patriarchy, sexual relationships can only follow a dominance/submission model, and most men hardly want to give up their right to the position of dominance over women by ‘turning’ gay. (Although, of course, gay men continue to be dominant over women in other ways).
So what slash writers are actually doing is merely recognising the homosocialism that exists in film and literature, as well as everywhere else in our society. To say they are drawing out a ‘gay subtext,’ and to attempt to attach revolutionary potential to this act is highly inaccurate, since homosocialism is one of the foundation stones of male supremacy, and fanfic authors who endorse and strengthen the homosocial relationships of male fictional characters by portraying them as homosexual are committing an act in support of patriarchy, not against it. (Even though these authors are unknowingly breaking social taboos by recognising that erotically charged homosocialism between men exists in the first place).
Nevertheless, slash is still often disguised as, or mistaken for, radical feminist rewriting, or at least radical rewriting of some kind, and I would like to explicate in more detail why this is simply not the case. Like fanfiction (see above), slash fanfiction is a conservative genre written by women who conform to patriarchal ways of thinking, and which is characterized by lesbophobia, homophobia, woman-hatred and severe phallocentricity, both in terms of its erotic content and intellectual ideas. The same-sex male relationships portrayed in slash stories are usually thinly veiled versions of heterosexual relationships, with one character taking on masculine characteristics and the other feminine, and with the ensuing power imbalances and abusive and destructive behaviours that result from this. Sex is generally portrayed pornographically, with an emphasis on penetration, force and pain, and the overwhelming/uncontrollable need the masculine character has for the feminine character, and the feminine character’s need to be needed by the masculine character in order to have a legitimate identity. Descriptions of sex tend to focus only on the physical side of the encounter, using an excess of violent imagery, and with characters often reduced to a collection of sexualized body parts devoid of emotions or humanity. Furthermore, the same-sex male relationships portrayed in most slash stories have a use-by date: sooner or later most of the characters ‘turn’ heterosexual and get married, it apparently being beyond the ability of most slash writers to imagine anyone actually choosing a non-heterosexual identity permanently. It is evidence of in-built lesbophobia and homophobia, since this use-by date mentality means that same sex relationships in slash are generally portrayed as being illegitimate, transient, unstable, and not able to last. Only heterosexual relationships are capable of doing that, apparently. (As evidenced in the real world by 50% divorce statistics).
Female characters often do not appear in slash stories at all, and if they do, they are portrayed as vapid, stupid, cold, calculating, grasping, unfairly demanding, physically disgusting, and generally lacking in any desire at all except for an overwhelming need to get married and have children. Women’s sexual desires are never mentioned, and presumably do not exist. No hint of lesbianism is ever permitted.
In the final analysis, women who write slash are not seeking to resist or disrupt patriarchal ideas; on the contrary, they are the disciples of Male Artists, and the slash they write is written in homage to their male idols, whether that be Joss Whedon, Gene Roddenberry, Peter Jackson, J.R.R. Tolkien or any other number of men whose primary goal is to bolster patriarchy and male supremacy in all its ugly forms. This makes it impossible for slash to be in any way a revolutionary or transformative genre of writing. Stories which engage critically with men and their works should therefore not be called slash, or fanfiction, but more rightly Radical Feminist Rewriting (see below).
The Psychology of Slash – The psychology of how and why women come to write slash fanfiction goes something like this. There are thousands of women, all over the world, who, thanks to our wonderful friend male supremacy, cannot relate to themselves as women. They can only relate to men, because only men are considered to be fully human. So they fall in love with the heroes of film and literature, and the ‘geniuses’ who create these texts, and they fool themselves into believing that these men speak universal truths, that they are speaking to everybody and about everybody, women included, when of course they are not, they are only speaking to men in the language of male supremacy that is death and poison to women.
In the cases of some women, usually educated, western women, this worship takes the form of fanfiction, even slash. Imagine it. Thousands of women, all around the world, writing millions of words about the trials and tribulations of men, laying their offerings humbly at the feet of their hundreds of male cultural gurus. Truly it is a terrifying thought.
Slash comes about because women under patriarchy cannot recognise their own sexual desires, or the possibility of a female-centric sexuality, and they therefore take to writing erotic stories about homosexual men as a way to deal with and relieve all of those sexual desires they supposedly don’t have, though of course, the very existence and popularity of slash proves the existence of female sexual desire, albeit a female sexual desire that is still trapped within patriarchal (non)understanding.
The second great irony of slash is that most women who read and write slash are not only heterosexual, but defensively so. Despite writing about gay men, and sometimes claiming to be ‘for gay rights’ (whatever that means), most women involved in slash communities would choke in horror if they were ever to be mistaken for, or tainted as, lesbian, and on their blogs etc. they are often at pains to point out that, yes, they greatly enjoy the idea of men together (because, you know, they’re heterosexual and they like men), but they are not in the least turned on by the idea of two women together, and therefore never, never, never, never, ever, read female/female fanfiction (which does exist, in very small amounts). Yet what do we have with slash fanfiction? Hundreds and hundreds of heterosexual women writing erotic stories for each other in order to turn one another on…is it just me, or is that starting to sound a bit lesbian?
It should also be noted that the women who read and write slash are surprisingly diverse. They do tend to have some factors in common, like generally being well educated and well off economically, these two factors combining to mean they are often also white, they are almost always heterosexual, and they are generally living in western countries where it is easy to access technology like computers and the internet. But other than this, women in slash communities can be married or single, old or young, conservative Christians or progressive liberals. Slash is friend to them all, and I think its very appeal to different women across these divides is further evidence of its ultimately conservative nature. Speaking personally, I have read essays in which slash is interpreted as radical and progressive; as feminist; as pro-homosexuality; and even as disseminating Christian values; it just depends on which part of the patriarchal spectrum the woman reading/writing the genre has allied herself to. But the fact that these women engage with slash in the first place in and of itself is proof that it does not contradict their internalised patriarchal ideologies, as most women invested in patriarchal ways of thinking manage very efficiently to avoid material that has the potential to meaningfully challenge their patriarchal allegiance. Therefore, slash does not do these things.
Radical Feminist Rewriting – taking characters, events and/or scenarios from literature, history and/or legend which are portrayed misogynistically, and rewriting and reimagining those characters and/or events in a radically feminist way. Radical Feminist Rewriting differs essentially from fanfiction and slash fanfiction in that it critically engages with the original text, for example by denouncing patriarchal assumptions, reclaiming poorly portrayed female characters, reinterpreting the meaning of events and situations in the text in feminist ways, and reclaiming male characters by making them the allies of women and feminism. (These are just some examples of how one might go about Radical Feminist Rewriting. There are many other ways).
There are examples of Radical Feminist Rewriting in published literature as well as on the internet. Published novels include those like Wide Sargasso Sea (1966) by Jean Rhys, which reclaims the mad woman from Charlotte Brontë’s Jane Eyre (1847); Rebecca’s Tale (2001) by Sally Beauman, which reclaims the ‘evil’ Rebecca from Daphne du Maurier’s Rebecca (1938); Alias Grace (1996) by Margaret Atwood which reinterprets the historical Canadian figure of Grace Marks; and a number of short stories in Isobelle Carmody’s collection Green Monkey Dreams (1996) that involve feminist rewritings of fairytales.
Some examples of Radical Feminist Rewriting that can be found on Spinning Spinsters are Water Lilies in Her Hair, my own reinterpretation of Tom Bombadil’s and Goldberry’s supposedly ‘happy’ marriage from J.R.R. Tolkien’s Lord of the Rings (1954-1955), and allecto’s stories The Blood of Women and Lot’s Wife, which critically engage with Greek myths and Christian myths respectively.
by Dissenter
Filed under: Dissenter, wicked words
Wow, you sure did stir the pot here, Dissenter. Very nice post by the way. Definitely is the way that I feel about slash, including my own.
I would almost call slash an act of appropriation except that straight women as a group do not have political and social power over gay men as a group.
When Brokeback Mountain came out there were many groups of gay men deeply angered and disturbed by Proulx’s violent depiction of gay men. But in the slash community there were heaps of discussions on how fantastic the movie was and how many times they had gone to see it. I find it very problematic that heteropatriarchal depictions of gay men seem to dominate popular culture. This isn’t good for gay men and it sure ain’t healthy for women, lesbian or straight.
As to why women, gay, straight and bisexual, write slash fiction I think something I read recently really help clarify it for me. In anticlimax ,Sheila Jeffreys talked about a woman who, as a coping strategy for living with a violent, abusive husband, learnt to have orgasms whil being raped by her husband.
I think slash operates on the same principle. If women are going to be raped (metaphorically) by male supremecy day in and day out, when male supremacy is the air you breathe and the water you drink, then you learn to wring whatever pleasure you can from being raped. Slash is women wringing pleasure from their social and political powerlessness.
I think another factor in slash is the fact that women are brainwashed into believing that men are superior to women. There is a youtube vid here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWyI77Yh1Gg showing black children choosing to play with a white doll instead of a black doll. In a white supremacist society, black children are taught to reference themselves to whites and to intenalise that inferiority. Women do this as well. There have been studies done showing women treating babies wearing blue far better than the ones wearing pink.
So women believe very strongly in their own inferiority. Men are who they aspire to be and to emulate. No wonder slash exists. Women are so repugnant to other women that we can not even write about ourselves or our sexualities. We get turned on more when there are no women to be seen.
And don’t even get me started on femmeslash or ‘lesbian’ writers of slash. The stuff that I have read is not what I would call lesbian or feminist.
Anyway, great post. Keep pissing people off. It is what us rad fems seem to do best.
I would second some kind of research log. Even a link to where you’ve been reading the slash you’re referring to (fanfiction.net, livejournal, mailing lists, fandom specific archives?) would be helpful - those who don’t know anything about slash could see for themselves and those of us who’ve read slash but whose experiences don’t match up with yours can see where you’re coming from.
As it is, the bit saying that characters in slash inevitably “turn heterosexual” just doesn’t match my experience. What I’ve read usually has the slash pairing eventually living happily ever after together. If they marry, they marry each other. The same-sex relationship doesn’t end. Instead they continue to act out heterosexual roles with each other.
This matches the point later in your post about women only seeing men as human. Slash writers aren’t going to have the characters marry women, because no woman is good enough for [insert male character here]. Women are *entirely* written out of the equation, including the future after the story ends. They can even be written out if the couple decides to have children, via some sort of male pregnancy.
As for background femslash pairings in stories centered around a male slash pairing, that comes from the same idea. Women aren’t good enough for men, so the men pair off together while women are stuck which each other. It also serves the purpose of making women in the story utterly unthreatening to the male pairings.
Moderation note: There was previously an earlier part to this discussion, in which I posted and responded to a small number of the comments I’ve been getting from those defending slash. With hindsight, I think this achieved little, if anything, so I have decided to remove that portion of the comments. Anyone wanting to read pro-slash defenses, they are everywhere in fandom spaces. From the number of hits this post has gotten, I’m guessing criticisms of me and what I’ve said here are also going to be pretty easy to find, and have no doubt already been read by the slashers who are currently coming here and trying to make me see the sad error of my ways. I have left up all of the two responses I’ve gotten so far from radical feminists who I know.
Dissenter.
Dissenter, thank you so much for this analysis. Although I’m not personally familiar with slash, there’s a young woman in my life who reads it sometimes and your perspective adds greatly to the repertoire of questions/comments I may (gently) ask/add next time it comes up in conversation between us.
Oh wow, that was powerfully written. I’ve been involved with slash in one way or another for a while but you made me re-examine my attention to this genre, especially as a gay woman. I find slash to be very woman hating, since mostly the only way the two males can get together is over the body of the women they have relationships with. This is true of every fandom that I have ever read and I have read them all trust me.
I also find that when women do try to inject females into the story they are called ‘Mary Sues’ and frowned upon. I think this is telling. As time goes on slash is becoming even more pornagraphic. I wonder about this trend. There seems to be this attention now to truer portrayals of gay sex between males. There was even a gay man who was giving advice to slashers about how to write the sex and the slashers were eating it up.
Now with academics trying to bring slash into the mainstream, I think this discussion is more important than ever. There’s a new group called the Organization for Transformative Works. It’s mostly a group of academic activists.
I never thought of slash sharing as lesbian behavior before, but I’ve read stories that were primarily pornographic and then people would post comments on the story talking about how hot it made them. The move of fanfiction to Livejournal out of message boards has made the responses to stories much more immediate and often people are posting their reactions right after they read the story. It’s fascinating. I find it hilarious that I never thought of that as anything but straight behavior when really that is decidedly ‘queer’.
Your thesis is very compelling in its passion and detail! I would be very interested in seeing whatever source material — citations, links, references, list of literature read, etc. — you have in the way of evidentiary support.
I realize that this may be purely “extreme cases,” or impressionistic (subjective), but even so brief an explanation of what led you to form your hypothesis would be extremely helpful to those of us arguing the merits of your POV. Certainly, it would help us to carry your work forward (i.e., radical feminist analysis of the slash phenomenon) if we know what texts and studies you’ve looked at already.
Thanks!
Stumbled in here with a link from a link from a link reading various essays about fanfiction/slash, so please forgive me for commenting on a post that’s rather old, but I was just so intrigued I wanted to discuss further.
I think you make some excellent points, in that I have suspected that the slash phenomenon may have a lot to do with women dealing with a culture grown out of patriarchy. Certainly, it’s a response to not being able to identify with the female characters in most pop culture, and finding the male character’s vastly more fascinating. Or at least, that’s been the attraction for me. I had always blamed that on the fact that female characters are often very poorly written. I had never considered that it might have to do with not being able to relate to ourselves as women. I found that argument of yours fascinating, and it will require more thought. I’m not sure I wholly agree with you, but it is an interesting coloring to the issue. If you have any further thoughts on this, I would be curious to hear them.
However, I also think it’s using to broad brush strokes to paint the phenomenon of slash and fanfiction as altogether conservative and buying into the patriarchy. Admittedly, a large portion of slash tends to be violently pornographic, and that is a trend that cannot be ignored, but I would caution against characterizing the entire genre by that. I do follow you argument, that if it respects the source then it buys into the same ideologies of the source which are inherently patriarchal, but I think that logic path is too simplistic. Fanfiction can (and often does) respect the source and still rewrite it and contradict its idealogies. It sounds like you only count it as Radical Feminist Rewriting if it really flips the ideas on their heads. But I often feel like some really intriguing stuff falls into a more between place, that I wouldn’t call patriarchal but I also wouldn’t call it Radical Feminist either.
Also, you seem to claim that the source material itself is steeped in completely patriarchal values to the point that it is as best useless to a feminist, and at worst poisonous. I think we may have to agree to disagree on that point.
Regardless, I appreciate the thought and effort you have clearly put into this post. And I thank you for taking the time to read to the end of my rather long response. I also want to thank you for the various Radical Feminist Rewriting recommendations that you mentioned at the end of the post. They sound quite intriguing, and I think I will now go out and give them a look.
Narnia
As someone who’s been writing fanfic since the early 80s, I myself never got slash - it always seemed to be kind of dumb to me. I always found existing relationships more intriguing, hetro, ambisexterous, whatever, than what I saw in the few slash pieces I’ve bothered to read. I never felt threatened by existing relationships, hetro/non hetro relationships.
My own intrigue has been with hints and allegations: things hinted at in passing or implied. I’ve also, as in what few Buffy and Inuyasha fics I’ve written, been intrigued by the roles of the female characters had either story taken place in the “real” world (which meant, in one case researching prostitutes in Victorian/Edwardian England and how they compared to their so-called more fortunate, respectable sisters: wives, sisters, mothers, and daughters of the middle class (in some cases, not much difference once you stripped off the velvet wallpaper; particularly if either one was attached to a man whose fortunes fell or was a beast!)) Or what it’s like to grow up illegitimate and physically different in a racially homogenous population - or WORSE what it might be like to be the mother of such evidence of social and sexual indiscretion!
I always find it funny when strangers find out that I write fanfic.
Their first starry-eyed response is, “Ooooooooooooooo! Do you write SAH-LASH??? ‘Cause, well, like, Kirk and Spock are soooooooooooo hot together!!!” Or Luke and Han, or whatever.
My response generally is, “No, slash doesn’t interest me.”
Their response is, “Oh.”
And off we go on our merry separate way.
I don’t consider myself elitist, hey, if slash gets you off, then that’s your business. Just don’t expect me to be all that interested unless it’s from a sociological point of view.”
I think my biggest kick is when I write a story that disturbs what few readers I have enough to get them thinking about things in a different way than before.
Regardless, yours was an interesting article, and examines a phenom that bears investigating further.
A couple of notes. Those who want to know why I am not approving pro-slash comments, I have already explained why. Pro-slash arguments can be found everywhere, all over the internet. They do not need to be here too, in the one space that offers a different perspective.
Also, clearly I am not in agreement with those who think slash is radical/progressive/feminist. Clearly, those who do think slash is radical/progressive/feminist are not in agreement with me. Going around in endless circles about whether it is or it isn’t does not, in my book, constitute a constructive or informative discussion.
Pine…I think there are difficulties with adding a bibliography to a piece like this, especially given that it is currently being read by those in slash communities. I think it would be taken as me singling certain individuals out for criticism, me ‘attacking’ certain slash writers…I don’t really want to go there.
Dissenter
Narnia, sorry it has taken me a while to respond to your comment. I do partly agree with you, that women in mainstream culture are often very poorly portrayed, and this makes it difficult to relate to them, or to care about them/want to write about them. On the other hand, I think we live in a society where men are the norm, and women are the ‘other’. This means it is very easy to write about men, because it is automatically accepted that men will be intelligent, strong, brave, active etc., but it is not automatically accepted that women will be these things. It is generally assumed that a woman will be the opposite: stupid, cowardly, passive. So every time a woman author has a female character, she either has to make her conform to femininity, in which case she will not be very interesting, or she has to construct her against femininity, which is a lot of work, and also potentially means the author will be criticized for being ‘too feminist’ or some kind of man hater (not just talking about fanfic here, but all women writers). Also, again talking about literature as a whole, not just fanfic, books about men almost always do better than books about women, because men are considered important, and women aren’t. I remember one English author (can’t remember her name) talking about how she kept being nominated for the Booker prize for novels written about women, but she never actually won it until she wrote a book about men. So given that working with female characters is a lot like walking through a mine-field, I don’t think it’s any wonder that a lot of women writers choose to write about men instead.
Also, given that women (both in fictional portrayals and in the real world) are often de-humanised, I think another reason women choose to write about men is that it becomes a way for a lot of women to try and imagine what it might feel like to be treated as fully human. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that a lot of longer fanfic stories and slash stories have a very strong action-adventure focus, the male characters going around and kicking bad-guy butt, the male characters holding positions of power and importance in their society, the male characters being respected by everyone, the male characters having these tight-knit friendships and relationships with each other. These are exactly the kinds of things that women in our society are not allowed to do, are not allowed to have, and I think that is why they are such appealing things for women to write about.
I think it’s also important to remember that women can and do come under fire in our society for transgressing femininity in whatever fashion (being ‘fat’, not shaving, not wearing make up, being too intelligent, disagreeing with patriarchal ideologies). This understandable fear of not wanting to become a target means that it is very hard for women to put female characters into their stories who are anything other than stereotypically feminine cardboard cut-outs, as doing so can lead to being attacked. It’s also worth noting that once you get past the popular patriarchal mainstream, there are lots of really great female characters to be found in literature and film, even some good male characters, but women are not encouraged to connect with this material (are not even encouraged to know about it) because it is ‘dangerous’…it might make women start to think of themselves as human, instead of just men.
Dissenter.
I’d like to ask you perspective on heterosexual and femmslash (not as part of a male slash piece) in the fanfiction world. Femmslash is not so dominant, as I’m sure you and your readers know, but het pairings are extremely prevalent, as much so or more than slash.
As a moderator of one of the largest archives for a certain fandom that is coming up on four years old, I’d say that easily half of our submissions are het or gen, but you did not address what the radical feminist perspective is for those genres, except for:
“this means that fanfiction, likewise, is strongly patriarchal and almost always woman-hating, despite the fact that women are now the main authors of fanfiction.”
I am not dissenting your view, but simply curious how you factor in heterosexual relationships in fanfiction.
Dissenter,
Wow, thanks for your extremely articulate and thoughtful reply. I find your point of view on the issues (and the clear way in which you express them) very intriguing. You have certainly given me a lot of food for thought.
Thanks,
Narnia
Hi Meg, I think that a lot, not all, but a lot of femslash tends to be based around ideas of lesbian pornography, and as such the women in the stories are highly sexualised and tend to be quite poorly characterized, although, of course, this can also often be the case with male slash stories of the PWP-type.
I think het is a lot like slash, in that a lot of the time, the relationships reproduce the masculine/feminine idea, with the inherent power inequalities, which makes it difficult to show relationships as being equal, caring etc.
I relate a lot to what you’ve written. A good while ago I wrote slash and non-slash fanfiction, but there came a time when I stopped writing anything.
When I was a fan, I would start sometimes seeing the world through the eyes of various characters from the fanfiction. I’d think “How would X character handle this” where X character was almost always a man. I closely identified with all the male characters because I couldn’t identify with women characters. I just couldn’t. They weren’t interesting. They weren’t people I suppose.
The only female character I’d relate to was Alanna The Lioness from from the sonf of the lioness quartet, which was about a girl/woman pretending to be a boy/man so she could live the life she wanted.
While I still think there are issues in that ‘girl pretends to be boy in order to be able to do things’ setup I appreciated it that there was a female character I could relate to, and I find it interesting since the author identifies as feminist.
At any rate the only characters I idenfitified with were men, and one woman who lived most of her life as a man.
Your theories sit well with me because they reflect my experience.
Hi ispower, I’m glad you got something out of my post. I think a lot of the attraction of slash is about women being able to imagine themselves as fully human via relating so closely to these male fictional characters. And you’re right, fanfic witers often do have very close identification with their characters.
Hey there. I actually came across your post from through a discussion on how out there/wrong/etc you were in your theory. As is the norm on the net, the person posting only pulled out the most quotables from your essay to make you look crazy, and while I wouldn’t consider myself a feminist, let alone a radical one, I can’t help but seeing the truth in some of your broader ideas.
I used to write fanfiction, mostly slash, a couple years back. I’ve gotten a little bored with it, but that’s more about the fandoms than anything. Most people who write slash are not professional writers. I agree that many are taking out frustrations that you’ve explained above, just as many Mary Sue authors attempt to insert themselves into worlds to fulfill their own crushes on the characters, rather than to write coherent original characters. Honestly a lot of slash is women objectifying men the way men objectify lesbians through porn, only women don’t control porn, they control fanfiction, so they use it as an outlet.
To me, slash also stems from a couple of things you haven’t mentioned. One obvious one that does cross into professional writing is that women sympathize erroneously with gay men, both being outside that male hetero-majority. This makes many women, especially in fantasy stories, write both strong women and gay men in a fantastical utopian setting where everyone’s free to love whomever and do whatever they want. But as you’ve stated, most gay men don’t sympathize with women truly, and still see themselves as above in some respect.
This segues into another issue to me in that in keeping with the patriarchy: most popular entertainment doesn’t feature gay or lesbian characters. So every time there’s a HINT of something being hidden (or especially in works like Harry Potter, turned hetero after fan speculation) people write slash to alleviate their frustrations that these perceived homosexual characters are being repressed.
That’s certainly closer to how I wrote slash. To me most fanfiction by legitimate writers stems from a frustration with a character or story. Sometimes authors like JKR stumble upon the bud of an idea, but if it’s not central to the main plot, never allows it to blossom. This makes writers go insane, especially if a good character is wasted. No wonder most people in the HP fandom fixate on the older, (male) teacher characters. I have a feeling that had JKR written some competent women teachers into the books, or any older competent unmarried, non-aged females, there would be a LOT more het stories between that group of characters — but as it is, there aren’t any, so writers take out their frustration between Sirius, Remus, and Snape. And this tends to be exasperated when close male characters exhibit what you call the dominant/submissive relationship already, in which case it’s not too much of a stretch for fans to jump to a sexual relationship of that nature.
But in that case, like with most well-written slash, it doesn’t come out of the blue — it appears where there’s already a true hint of some relationship. That’s why pairings like House and Wilson totally boggle my mind, and definitely conform to what you’ve expressed — the women on that show are so lousy, either shrews or sex objects or both, so fans fantasize about the two competent characters. And the worst part is one of the main producers on the show is a woman, and it’s under her direction that the main female character was demeaned and all but booted off the show. It’s ludicrous.
Personally, I was always told by my parents growing up that I could be or do whatever I wanted, and for the most part my parents weren’t too gender biased in terms of my playthings or what movies I watched. I watched a lot of films as a kid, mostly action adventure, and I really loved the heros and the wicked witches I’d see — I found and still find most princesses absolutely insufferable. But as I grew older I started to realize that, in the current world, I couldn’t be an Indiana Jones or a James Bond, and I found that hideously depressing.
I look at typical men. Men who share my common interests, yet a group in which I’d always be trying to “fit in” and be demeaned or viewed as an oddity. At college I ran with a mostly male crowd, most of whom are sweet and funny and nice to spend time with. However they’ve grown up in the same patriarchal world as everyone, so even though they’re not groping at me and our female friends, there’s still a degree of having to turn a blind eye to derogatory remarks, porn, and so forth, which often forcefully remind me, I am not one of them. And that sucks.
I’ve also ran across a fair number of jerks, haven’t we all, who fuck me over professionally for not wanting to date them to get a job, and who continue that good old double standard that “women were not made to woo” and shouldn’t bother going after guys, while when guys chase after girls, girls are obligated to submit.
On the other hand, some men aren’t keen on their position either, though I guess it’s not so terrible considering they’re in the position of power anyway. But it’s like the saying, money can’t buy happiness; dominant social positions can’t buy happiness either. I think you’re terribly wrong in men having strong friendships — while they have buddies, most men really don’t have friends whom they can talk closely with; this is something that is seen as feminine. Emotionality is very frowned upon for Western men, and while that’s great for some meathead bundles of testosterone, it’s not for everyone. Hell, my boyfriend cries on a regular basis because he can’t talk to his friends about important things going on in his life. It’s just not done. I don’t know what aspect of his childhood went wrong — at least as far as our society is concerned — but for the most part he’s genuinely not someone who judges people based on gender, and it’s very nice to be around.
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But clearly not all women are this way, and I’m grateful to have found a group of friends like myself. But it takes time, it’s uncommon, and many intelligent women end up completely emulating men or become so lonely that they turn to the net for all social interaction. And that’s kind of sad.
To some degree, I don’t want to participate in either traditional masculinity or femininity. Note: some material has been edited out here. Me? I just want to do my own thing, and thank whomever above that I’ve got a personality that doesn’t care what other people think of me, as long as I like myself.
I’m involved in the entertainment industry, in which you can imagine I deal with gender issues all the time. I doubly agree with the notion that most women are written badly and thus spawn a circle in which women are disliked in fiction, and even some great women characters, like Scully, still maintain the unfortunately stereotype that intelligent women are all shrews trying to kill the fun. This should be changed, and I think it will, over time, but talking about the demerits of slash isn’t going to do that. The way to do that is to concentrate on writing great female characters in fiction and roles in film and television, beyond self-insertion vanity Sues. It’s having the balls to cast Sigourney Weaver types instead of Megan Fox types, and getting off the safety of blogs and forums on the net and aspiring to get into the shows and films and media that shapes our culture.
Hi LR, thanks for your thoughts. I’m sorry if you’re offended, but I felt I had to edit your comment in a couple of places, as you were talking about women in a way that isn’t acceptable on this blog. While I share your frustration sometimes with women who conform to patriarchy, this is behaviour that I do not blame on individual women, I blame it on men who uphold the patriarchal system and force women to conform to what they see as acceptable behaviour.
I know that many women have taken my essay as a condemnation of women who write or participate in slash, but that is not how it was intended. The point was to critique slash as a genre of writing, to suggest that the values it promotes are not as ‘radical’ as is generally supposed, and to criticise the patriarchal forces which, I believe, ultimately underly a lot of the ideas in slash fics.
And it’s not as though there aren’t women within slash communities who have raised similar concerns to the ones I do here; a lot of the anger that has been generated about what I’ve said is due to the perception of me as an outsider who is standing in judgement of slash, and the women who write it.
It’s great that you’re working to get more good female characters/actresses into the entertainment industry - we sure do need it! I agree that just criticising without creating something different isn’t effective - that’s one of the reasons why a friend and I created this blog to be a space for feminist creativity. It’s also why, at the end of my slash essay, I discuss other possible ways of interacting with texts in order to have genuine critical engagements with them…I notice, though, that that has mostly led to women trashing my “Water Lilies” story. So while I agree that creating cool women characters is important, it does not necessarily follow that women will connect with those characters, so alienated from themselves are many women forced to be.
I do understand what you say about masculinity being restrictive, as well as femininity. That is not in dispute, and, actually, radical feminists were the first theorists back in the 1970s who started talking about the need to abolish the gender binary system. What I was saying was that men, as a class, generally have loyalty to other men, and most men will choose to maintain that loyalty to men at all costs, even at the expense of women. Whether men are comfortable having intimate friendships with other men etc. depends a lot on what sort of men you are talking about I think, in terms of class, race and so on. Certainly when I watch the making of a lot of movies, particularly movies that have large all-male casts like Lord of the Rings and Pirates of the Caribbean, those men do not appear to be particularly repressed in expressing their emotions to each other, up to and including hugging and kissing each other. ‘Male bonding’ activities are also a huge part of western culture, whether that means men trekking together into the wilderness, going to a football game, going to war, or bonding together over the oppression of other groups, as happens, for example, in gay bashing and gang rapes. Typically, a part of this male bonding is the deliberate exclusion of other groups, like women (or poor men if it’s a bonding activity for rich men and so on), or the deliberate oppression of other groups, which can happen on an individual level such as when a group of men rape a woman or bash a gay man, or on a world-wide scale when one country decides to go to war with another country.
Also, over the past 20 or 30 years, there have been a lot of male theorists who have started writing about masculinity, and who have argued that it should be acceptable for men to express more emotion etc. This includes men like Robert Bly and Warren Farrell who claim that men, as a class do not have power over women, and more progressive writers like R.W. Connell who argue that all men, even those who might be oppressed in some ways, benefit from what he calls the ‘patriarchal dividend.’ But almost all of these theorists stop short of calling for an end to patriarchy or male privilige. What they seem to want is for men to have even more rights to behave however they want, whilst women have to keep putting up with the same old shit, and hetero-patriarchy remains comfortably intact.
One of the few exceptions to this is John Stoltenberg’s book Refusing to Be a Man.
Dissenter.
Hello,
I stumbled across your post and found it very interesting and thought provoking. I am myself a writer of both feminist and queer theory and have been interested in looking at fanfiction and slash from a feminist theory and queer theory perspective (not together in the same piece of course since they are two different fields). First off I would like permission to cite this article in my future work. Second of all, you mention having read academic articles on fanfiction and slash. I would dearly love to know the names of the articles you are referring to since I think they would be extremely useful for my own work. Thank you for your time and thought.
Peace and Joy,
Anna.
Hi Anna,
I appreciate your politeness, but really, this post is in the public domain, and I have no power over who quotes, or indeed as has more generally happened, misquotes what I’ve said here. If you believe it would be beneficial to your work to refer to my ideas then that is up to you.
I think you’ll also find once you start researching academic commentary on slash that my ideas are radically different from what has by and large been said about slash, i.e. that it is radical, progressive, feminist and so on. And, quite honestly, I’m not sure the academy is too interested in listening to critiques of slash, so if that is what you’re planning on doing you’ll have an interesting time. Of course, if you’re planning on saying that slash is the most fanfastic thing on the planet and that I’m a crazy loon then you’ll get along fine.
If you want a starting point for your research, then its a book called Textual Poachers: Television Fans and Participatory Culture by Henry Jenkins. There is a chapter in the book which discusses slash, though I disagree with much of Jenkins’ argument. He also discusses other slash articles in this chapter, so that should give you some more leads.